In this interview I talk with Orlando Magic Co-Founder Pat Williams He played college baseball at Wake Forest and was inducted into the Wake Forest Athletic Hall of Fame. He then became a NBA general manager for 5 different NBA teams Chicago Bulls in 1969-1973, Atlanta Hawks in 1973-1974, Philadelphia 76ers 1974-1986, and Orlando Magic from 1989-1996. He talked about what it was like in Chicago Bulls to be apart of creating the mascot Benny the Bull. He talked about drafting Shaquille O'Neal and trading a draft pick for Penny Hardaway. He covered the day in the like of an owner of an NBA team. He has written many books about his journey in sports. Here is a link to his website to find his books and to contact him https://www.patwilliams.com/